"operation pipedown" targetting noisy vehicles

[Gerard]

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchives/2010/April/Pipedown.pdf


OPERATION PIPEDOWN

On Tuesday the 20th of April 2010, Operation Pipedown, targeting excessively noisy motor vehicles and safety related offences will commence. The operation will accompany a media campaign. The operation will be conducted in the Melbourne area for a two week period, concluding on Saturday the 1st of May 2010. The media campaign will commence one week before the enforcement phase of the operation, commencing on the 13th of April, 2010. This initiative will be conducted in conjunction with:

Police Media Liaison Unit,
Melbourne University Medical Faculty,
Environment Protection Authority,
Melbourne City Council,
Safe Streets Task Force,
Region 1 TMU.

It is anticipated that various community groups together with anti-noise lobby groups will be providing their support to the media campaign.
Excessively loud motor vehicles are a community disorder issue with much of the blame placed on drivers of illegally modified cars and motorcycles, or sport bikes equipped with illegal exhaust systems such as straight pipes, drag pipes or performance pipes.

Excessive noise is a serious environmental problem impacting health and well-being. The effects of this excessive noise should not be trivialized.
Excessively loud motor vehicles constitute an offence against the Environment Protection Act.

In combination with a focus on excessively loud motor vehicles, the focus will also be towards safety related offences. Offences such as: Drink Driving, Roadworthy Offences, Fail to Wear Seat Belt, Fail to Give Signal, Use Hand Held Mobile Phone While Driving.

Looks like the boys in yellow have finally worked out that noisy vehicles kill people.

Oh and the fact that the organisation gets $580 from each vehicle they find that exceeds the limit has absolutely nothing to do with the reason for this whole operation.
This is becoming a joke, The fine for speeding 70km/hr and endangering lives is $480!. Yet the fine for each epa breach is $580, so if you have a loud exhaust, BOV ventilating to atmo, cooler mod. That's $1,740 in one night.

This state and country is really going too far with their 'safety campaign' that conveniently make them billions of dollars a year.

If anyone truly cares about what is going on and wants to say something, send a letter or contact the road minister and question his motives and decisions. We have being laying on our backs and swallowing this crap for too long.

he is here (http://www.transport.vic.gov.au/DOI/Internet/Home.nsf/AllDocs/AFE6CB9EB1E1FE51CA257242000915B2?OpenDocument)

[[TUFFTR]]

That's bullshit. I'll be installing a varex if that's the case.

Then they can kiss my loud ass.

[rh1n0]

Devices that allow you to change the sound with the flip of a switch/button/etc. are also illegal. So you may not get nabbed for sound, but there'll be another fine for you anyway. :P

[GT-Pete]

Devices that allow you to change the sound with the flip of a switch/button/etc. are also illegal. So you may not get nabbed for sound, but there'll be another fine for you anyway. :P

Really? I'm interested to know if there is proof of that (just curious)

[[TUFFTR]]

Devices that allow you to change the sound with the flip of a switch/button/etc. are also illegal. So you may not get nabbed for sound, but there'll be another fine for you anyway. :P

You gotta be kidding me!
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

better then nothing though, If your car isn't loud at the time of being pulled over etc, there's less chance that your going to be interrogated, Well, I hope.

[zeke]

wat about the Harley bikes that sounds excessively loud with stock exhausts!?

[Gerard]

bikes, trucks, cars, pushbikes, baby trolleys - everything will be targetted.
Bikes have a legal limit of 96db - 100db depending on year
cars from the 60's or something are 90db

Varex mufflers or any temporary silencing devices are not allowed. They know about them and look out for them.'

To maximise the income, they will be setting up epa/defect bins and using the above excuse to catch everyone out. They have db readers and do the check on the spot and will be looking for other items like BOV's, missing cats, aftermarket computers and boost controllers etc. If they find something, there's a good chance they will send you a notice to have the car go through a full epa check which includes an emmissions test and other various things.

That's just the EPA check, if they decide to add a defect check along with it, you are looking at more things like the usual, like ride height, tyres, washer fluid and other BS

So even if you have a completely stock car with no mods, make sure that your tyres are in good nick, you have over a 1/4 full water in your windscreen reservoir, and your tail lights are equally bright. Because any of those along with more can get you a major defect, which means a full RWC required.

[zeke]

Operation Pipedown- The latest craze in revenue raising!

that should be their slogan!

[GRDPuck]

Operation Pipedown- The latest craze in revenue raising!
that should be their slogan!
Operation Pipedown...
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If they want people to trust it's not just a revenue raiser, then show that every $$$ raised from things like rego, petrol tax AND car/driving fines goes towards safer roads, driving courses, etc. But I guess that'd mean they'd have to increase our other Taxes to cover the shortfall. :doubt:

[Stormie]

Devices that allow you to change the sound with the flip of a switch/button/etc. are also illegal. So you may not get nabbed for sound, but there'll be another fine for you anyway. :P

pretty sure theres some hsvs that have varex as std arent there?

[Rhino]

11 epa notices so far. The fairmont is loud too. Maybe i should swing standard exhausts on both

[[TUFFTR]]

pretty sure theres some hsvs that have varex as std arent there?

3000GT VR4's have an electronically controlled exhaust standard.

[ARS55]

pretty sure theres some hsvs that have varex as std arent there?

Correct, the new HSV E2's have what they call a 'bi-modal' exhaust which is essentially the same as a varex.

It'll be one of those things that they can get away with by naming it something other than what the long arm of the law calls it, same deal with their 'daytime running lights'.

[Gerard]

11 epa notices so far. The fairmont is loud too. Maybe i should swing standard exhausts on both

have u had an on the spot check and had the fine sent to you?

Just asking to see if you were able to avoid the fine some how?

[Rhino]

have u had an on the spot check and had the fine sent to you?

Just asking to see if you were able to avoid the fine some how?

No epa tested at point of pull over, just cops think the exhaust is too loud ( marginally ;) . By the time the fine comes out i got the standard exhaust back on, get it tested. Passes then fax the certificate from the exhaust shop to the epa, car clears, put the "performance" system back on. Repeat process!

If the car ends up at McLeod, then you are rooted 5 ways from Sunday. They do you over hard. More so if you have aftermarket ecu's!

[Gerard]

No epa tested at point of pull over, just cops think the exhaust is too loud ( marginally ;) . By the time the fine comes out i got the standard exhaust back on, get it tested. Passes then fax the certificate from the exhaust shop to the epa, car clears, put the "performance" system back on. Repeat process!

If the car ends up at McLeod, then you are rooted 5 ways from Sunday. They do you over hard. More so if you have aftermarket ecu's!

ah ok then

they have since become more refined with their processes, on the spot checks by EPA staff and instant fines as stated above.

[[TUFFTR]]

How do they know you run an aftermarket ECU? Do they trace it all the way back to where it actually is? Like...what's the go there.

[Rhino]

I know a couple of blokes that have had it handed to them, for no cats. I stay away from the city etc now days, just isnt worth the hassle. If you have a modded car you are gone. Government makes to much money from it. Yet they wont build a dragstrip, Why it will make them $190m a year, why build when your fines and shit are almost 3 times that a year? So much for saving lives and shit it is all about money. Brumby is a tosser

[Gerard]

;1232545']How do they know you run an aftermarket ECU? Do they trace it all the way back to where it actually is? Like...what's the go there.

they know where the ecu is kept in each model and remove carpet/panels to check on this. This can be done by EPA or highway patrol. Either one gets you a fine.


I know a couple of blokes that have had it handed to them, for no cats. I stay away from the city etc now days, just isnt worth the hassle. If you have a modded car you are gone. Government makes to much money from it. Yet they wont build a dragstrip, Why it will make them $190m a year, why build when your fines and shit are almost 3 times that a year? So much for saving lives and shit it is all about money. Brumby is a tosser

:stoopid:
good post

[[TUFFTR]]

they know where the ecu is kept in each model and remove carpet/panels to check on this. This can be done by EPA or highway patrol. Either one gets you a fine.



:stoopid:
good post

$50 says 95% of policeman have no idea how to get to a TR ECU. They'll have to dis-assemble half my dash to get to it.

[White]

my 380 stock ecu is under bonnet but my piggy is up behind the dash.

[Rhino]

;1232545']How do they know you run an aftermarket ECU? Do they trace it all the way back to where it actually is? Like...what's the go there.

IIRC if your car came with an air flow meter, you run a map sensor with you aftermarket ecu, They disconnected the AF meter the car ran still, they hit gold. You got fines etc, basically return the car to standard to get it re-rego'ed. Coolers, bov's, ecu's everything back to standard. If you had a motor that had cams, bigger turbos etc your car wouldn't run with out the aftermarket ecu. I remember when i got done with the s15, return everything back to standard, to pass epa and rwc. Luckily it was only boosted had a bigger cooler and a bov.

This is why my wolf sits in the cupboard and a SKR tune for me is on the cards!

[rh1n0]

;1232564']$50 says 95% of policeman have no idea how to get to a TR ECU. They'll have to dis-assemble half my dash to get to it.
I guess with a not-commonly-modded car you could be lucky to get off with your ECU. My brother's Skyline got done for his ECU - after they ripped his whole passenger footwell off. And no, they didn't put it back together for him afterwards.

[[TUFFTR]]

I guess with a not-commonly-modded car you could be lucky to get off with your ECU. My brother's Skyline got done for his ECU - after they ripped his whole passenger footwell off. And no, they didn't put it back together for him afterwards.

I (heart) Vic police.

[HRD2GT]

Great news guys!!! NOT
I'll get defected the minute I get back on the road :(

[Gerard]

according to the media and the police and backed up by the document i posted. Drivers of modified cars are part of an anti-social behavioural group.

wtf kind of crap do these people make up to smear us on daily basis. seriously.

[Maat1985]

i can understnad why you all have a problem with this and yeas cops are dumbasses and stuff and the lawas are stupid and whatever.... we would all love to mod our cars in anyway we see fit and make it totally unique but imagine some of the shit that people would do if they could get away with it......

however as stoopid as the laws are they should still be followed i mean you wouldnt rob a bank if you thought you could get away with it??? or would you????? but anyways all i am saying is mod your car as far as stuid adrs and shit will allow and then you dont have to worry bout defects...... if you do chose to do illegal mods then you know when you do them that you are running the risk of being caught and going through this crap... you just tell yourself that the laws are stupid and its worth the risk.....

[zeke]

come on gerard, didnt u know that we drive around with flaming torches and terrorise the community!! CLEARLY we are anti-social!

[LeGiOnAiR]

Good thing most of us have Magnas

[rh1n0]

according to the media and the police and backed up by the document i posted. Drivers of modified cars are part of an anti-social behavioural group.
Given recent events (Bob Jane) I would say 'we' are pretty social. 'We' enjoy the occasional meet up to discuss cars, have some drinks, eat some food, go for a drive, etc. and they know 'we' do all these things, yet they call us anti-social. Makes just as much sense as everything else they do.

however as stoopid as the laws are they should still be followed i mean you wouldnt rob a bank if you thought you could get away with it??? or would you????? but anyways all i am saying is mod your car as far as stuid adrs and shit will allow and then you dont have to worry bout defects...... if you do chose to do illegal mods then you know when you do them that you are running the risk of being caught and going through this crap... you just tell yourself that the laws are stupid and its worth the risk.....
I always wonder why people pull the "it's the law, follow it" card. I understand that they are laws, but why are there these laws that tell us how much modifying we can or can't do? As far as I know, there are no such limitations (with the exception of Nitrous in some states) in America and their country is one of the most striving in the world.

Just wondering. :)

[yann89]

****en hell :doubt:

where can i get my car db checked? how loud is it allowed to be and how is it tested?

[Gerard]

i can understnad why you all have a problem with this and yeas cops are dumbasses and stuff and the lawas are stupid and whatever.... we would all love to mod our cars in anyway we see fit and make it totally unique but imagine some of the shit that people would do if they could get away with it......

however as stoopid as the laws are they should still be followed i mean you wouldnt rob a bank if you thought you could get away with it??? or would you????? but anyways all i am saying is mod your car as far as stuid adrs and shit will allow and then you dont have to worry bout defects...... if you do chose to do illegal mods then you know when you do them that you are running the risk of being caught and going through this crap... you just tell yourself that the laws are stupid and its worth the risk.....

Of course we need rules and regulations. I have no tripe with them enforcing the law. It's the copious amounts of fines that they impose that's the problem. If we could buy shares in the EPA organisation a couple of years ago, we would be rolling in it by now.


****en hell :doubt:

where can i get my car db checked? how loud is it allowed to be and how is it tested?

most exhaust shops can do a test, give them a call and check. Costs $35.
The car should be lower than 90db.

I've had my quiet exhaust put on and it is barely audible, that was over by 1db.

If you can hear any kind of noticable sound from your exhaust, I would be concerned.

[Rhino]

i can understnad why you all have a problem with this and yeas cops are dumbasses and stuff and the lawas are stupid and whatever.... we would all love to mod our cars in anyway we see fit and make it totally unique but imagine some of the shit that people would do if they could get away with it......

however as stoopid as the laws are they should still be followed i mean you wouldnt rob a bank if you thought you could get away with it??? or would you????? but anyways all i am saying is mod your car as far as stuid adrs and shit will allow and then you dont have to worry bout defects...... if you do chose to do illegal mods then you know when you do them that you are running the risk of being caught and going through this crap... you just tell yourself that the laws are stupid and its worth the risk.....

Yes my magna is loud, i admit it. Is has bigger rims than what it should, i admit that too. But my brakes are bigger, that means it stops safer. The vic government sucks big balls, If a new car doesn't come with esc and curtain airbags in 2012 it cant be for sale. I don't give a shit, i would rather have bigger brakes, bigger rims and prevent an accident.

Now days it seems the government (both state and federal) seem to think the cure is better than prevention with everything, not just cars.

Another wonderful revenue raiser by our soft cock government. When was the last time a loud exhaust killed anybody?

[Maat1985]

i dont pull it in the sense that i say it is the law and you must follow it...... yes we all do break the law in some way or another....
the point i am really trying to get accross is that if you do break it you have to be prepared to wear the concequences because until the laws change which we can all try and to (yeah right as if it'll work) when you break them you are taking a risk.....
yes we do have some of the toughest and most bullshit laws and they definatly should be relaxed to allow some modifications.... some of the laws are there for safety some are there for emmisions... some are just total bullshit... some i agree with some i can understand but disagree with and some laws can kiss my sorry ass.... however if i break one of these laws yes i will be pissed if i get caught and my rant and rave abit however i will accept that i broke the stupid law......

[Maat1985]

and yes there is no way in hell the penalties match the offences it is total shit.... and yeah saftey laws are stupid in some ways..... how about spending money actually teaching people how to drive.... madatory defensive driving courses b4 getting your full license etc... in nsw once you do the driving test to get your red p's the rest of the tests are computerised... what is the go with that????? that doesnt show you can drive.... should all be driving tests....

teaching people how to drive would be better for saftey than saying your car is dangerous......

[Rhino]

Given recent events (Bob Jane) I would say 'we' are pretty social. 'We' enjoy the occasional meet up to discuss cars, have some drinks, eat some food, go for a drive, etc. and they know 'we' do all these things, yet they call us anti-social. Makes just as much sense as everything else they do.


It is these dickheads that Stuff it for everybody - mass generalization.

[Gerard]

and yes there is no way in hell the penalties match the offences it is total shit.... and yeah saftey laws are stupid in some ways..... how about spending money actually teaching people how to drive.... madatory defensive driving courses b4 getting your full license etc... in nsw once you do the driving test to get your red p's the rest of the tests are computerised... what is the go with that????? that doesnt show you can drive.... should all be driving tests....

teaching people how to drive would be better for saftey than saying your car is dangerous......

agree with you 100% there

labelling all young drivers/modified cars as dangerous, other drivers look down on them and cause an extremely negative attitude on the road. In the other thread about the nanny state, disciple made good points about people who are driving below the slow limit having a go at people trying to get past them. That is exactly what all this media and government attention has done. Created a negative environment to drive and live in where certain demographics are being discriminated against by the masses.

As for your previous post, what you're saying basically is that we can avoid getting caught out by following the rules and doing it right?
That's true, but where do we draw the limit to what the govt can and can't control. How long do we lay on our stomachs and let the state have their way with us?

Smear campaigns against young drivers, speeing, modified cars, and even drink driving etc are making it easy for the state to increase penalties and find more elaborate ways to catch more people out.

[rh1n0]

in nsw once you do the driving test to get your red p's the rest of the tests are computerised... what is the go with that????? that doesnt show you can drive.... should all be driving tests....

teaching people how to drive would be better for saftey than saying your car is dangerous......
Once we get our Red Ps down here it's all just time based until you get upgraded, as far as I know. I was upgraded to my green Ps just this year for having completed one full year of Red Ps with no fines. :)

Also yeah, teaching would increase safety you'd assume. But as if they'd ever do that, they'd rather get money out of us for not teaching us the laws/how to do things 'right' and then throw fines at us.

It is these dickheads that Stuff it for everybody - mass generalization.
You're right though. How did they thing that breaking things on some franchise shop would fix any of the issues we face as car enthusiasts? Bah.

[Rhino]

Ahh

Victoria - The place NOT to be

[Gerard]

Ahh

Victoria - The place NOT to be

Yea, i love it.

"The Garden State" - No more thanks to water restrictions
"On the Move" - Uh, we're not moving anywhere. If we try to, we get fined for it.
"The Place To Be" - More like The Place To Be Defected

[Rhino]

All pollies are Shit really

K.rudd is a twerp, obnoxious pest.
T. Abbott will crucify you for having sex before marriage.
T ballieu just says what ppl want to hear.
J brumby is as weak, very weak. Living off Kennett and Bracks.

[[TUFFTR]]

Yea, i love it.

"The Garden State" - No more thanks to water restrictions
"On the Move" - Uh, we're not moving anywhere. If we try to, we get fined for it.
"The Place To Be" - More like The Place To Be Defected

I want that in sticker form for my bank window. Rock on.

[Maat1985]

action groups need to be created and worked on and with seriously to atleast get the message to the governemnt as to what a large part of the population think of the laws and how they should be changed... doubt it'll do anything but if actually created and followed through it may cause the governement to actually think bout all this and mayb just mayb lax the policys a little.... like granny always said "write a letter" however you actually need to get large groups of people creating a full campaign about issues like these to even have a slight hope of getting anywhere.......

[[TUFFTR]]

And the worst thing is, if a large group of car "modifiers" put on a rally or demonstration, It'd probably end up like the Bob jane thing which was just another nail in the coffin. We all really need to do something to show our point of view, without shit getting smashed and being burned.

[PeteW]

you can be defected by after market ecu?

[westside_t_s_d.]

i know some people that fart louder then a car fine those stinkers lol polution stink and noise.

[Gerard]

action groups need to be created and worked on and with seriously to atleast get the message to the governemnt as to what a large part of the population think of the laws and how they should be changed... doubt it'll do anything but if actually created and followed through it may cause the governement to actually think bout all this and mayb just mayb lax the policys a little.... like granny always said "write a letter" however you actually need to get large groups of people creating a full campaign about issues like these to even have a slight hope of getting anywhere.......

agree, we need a body that represents and defends aussie drivers rights. right now all we have is the state feeding us tripe that speed kills, supplying BS stats and wrong information. Then setting up cameras to catch us out and re-labelling them as "safety" equipment. How stupid do they think we are?

clearly we are pretty *** stupid, so far we have eaten their crap and accepted everything they have been doing. If anyone tries to stand up, they get shot down as a hoon or not caring about the interest of safety.

I put the link on the OP of the road minister so people know who is in charge and maybe send a letter, i have already sent something to him regarding speeding and cameras. waiting on a reply.


you can be defected by after market ecu?

yep, anything that alters the cars original mapping, fuel/air intake, emissions etc. is illegal.

[rh1n0]

Well that's another thing. It isn't made abundantly clear what the laws are (VicRoads website is such a mess) regarding ride height (it's hidden away somewhere on a page with links to PDFs, the one regarding ride heights is about 10 years old), ECUs and everything else.
Places that you get to do work on your car often fail to tell you if what they've just done to your car makes it detectable or not, assuming you are aware and don't care...

And (possibly Gerard's favourite) if you bought the car with a roadworthy, you assume it can't be defected right? No, cause roadworthy doesn't take into account EPA things. Riiiiight.

Then there's TMU who seem to have different rules to VicRoads regarding some matters.

[Maat1985]

Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteW
you can be defected by after market ecu?

yep, anything that alters the cars original mapping, fuel/air intake, emissions etc. is illegal.

i thought it was only illegal if emisions were changed to be a certain percentage worse than from factory???? is this the same in every state or is just vic very harsh on this???? cus i know NSW is very strict on alot of things but not on things like ecus..... well as far as i know anyways

[presti]

the harly's come out stock like that, so afaik thats why they can have it so loud

thats bulllllshit. i got pulled over the other day because my car made a 'loud deep noise as you accelerated out of the corner' so they checked my tires and sent me on my way...
yeah i know. didn't test the noise or see the tail lights or the ride hight or tinted windows, just check my brand new tires and let me go. Funny thing was they didn't check the fronts, just the rears. Thought about telling them its a FWD but meh, was having a staring contest with a cop. They are out in force, stopped 3 times in 3 days!

[SupremeMoFo]

I like my CAI. Awesome noise when you want it, otherwise on part throttle or under 2000rpm, you don't hear anything from it other than a faint hiss.

[rowman100]

im not siding with the cops on this but i wish they'd b able to get the dickhead that lives across the road from me. I'm extremely tolerant when it comes to cars with loud exhausts but every time this guy takes off in his 200sx it sounds like his cars gonna explode. i dont know what hes done but it sounds awful!

[J-PaP]

What is the epa test rules these days? 90db at 45 degrees from exhaust outlet at 1m away? At what rpm?

[presti]

What is the epa test rules these days? 90db at 45 degrees from exhaust outlet at 1m away? At what rpm?

yeah i wanna know just incase i get tested and they do it 'wrong'

[Gerard]

What is the epa test rules these days? 90db at 45 degrees from exhaust outlet at 1m away? At what rpm?

all that, at half of the cars max rpm. Not the start of the redline, the absolute max.

[mattgreen]

hmmm i already get pulled over alot for my exhaust, let the defects begin, oversized wheels pod exhaust , gear nob with no h pattern. after market steering wheel. tinted lights. my saveings will be gone if i got defected for everything

[J-PaP]

all that, at half of the cars max rpm. Not the start of the redline, the absolute max.

Great. 4250 on my car which means it'll fail with a stock exhaust most likely.

Also if the rules are similar to Tasmania, engine noise should be shielded temporarily from exhaust noise and environment shouldn't read more than 80db.

[pozza]

The thing that gets me most about our country is that the government is so quick to appease the concerns of minority pressure groups while at the same time ruining everything for the majority. Good on Webber for his comments about the nanny state, I'm glad someone influential has had the guts to bring this issue to the forefront, it's about time for some change.

[Ashneel]

Great. 4250 on my car which means it'll fail with a stock exhaust most likely.

Also if the rules are similar to Tasmania, engine noise should be shielded temporarily from exhaust noise and environment shouldn't read more than 80db.

yeap my R34 with a stock exhaust at 4500rpm came at 87DB,

and dont think that they dont know much about the type of car you drive cause trust me they do. i was in a defect bin 4 weeks agao and there were some cars pulled over that you wouldnt think of being moddified but these guuys new what to look for.

just to show how ****ed they are they gave an 80year old lady driving a land rover a defect just cause her headlights were pointing too far up. and thats it.

so ye be careful.

[[TUFFTR]]

**** the car scene I'm taking up knitting

[Life]

;1232901']**** the car scene I'm taking up knitting

Knit me a cardigan?

[Boozer]

;1232901']**** the car scene I'm taking up knitting

i can so... see that happening :P

[Ashneel]

ye its getting bad now.

and makes it even harder for me to find my next car now :(

[rh1n0]

im not siding with the cops on this but i wish they'd b able to get the dickhead that lives across the road from me. I'm extremely tolerant when it comes to cars with loud exhausts but every time this guy takes off in his 200sx it sounds like his cars gonna explode. i dont know what hes done but it sounds awful!
Put an anonymous letter in his mail box saying you couldn't care less about his car and its obnoxious exhaust but if he could keep the revs to a minimum whilst inside your road/street/court.

He should be doing that out of common sense really in any suburban area, but he should at LEAST do it in his own street.

[NORBY]

Put an anonymous letter in his mail box saying you couldn't care less about his car and its obnoxious exhaust but if he could keep the revs to a minimum whilst inside your road/street/court.

He should be doing that out of common sense really in any suburban area, but he should at LEAST do it in his own street.

or dob him into the hoon hotline, you dont need any proof of anything, anyone can just dob you in

"Mr Cameron encouraged all Victorians to 'Dob in a Hoon' and call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000."

[Ashneel]

trav im dobbing you in...

[GoTRICE]

Why would having an aftermarket exhaust be illegal?

Should be fine as long as it passes emissions. Though this may not be the case.
If tuned properly should have better emissions than mass production.

Nothing like lawyers and politician teaching us engineering.

Lucky i drive a magna.

[rh1n0]

or dob him into the hoon hotline, you dont need any proof of anything, anyone can just dob you in

"Mr Cameron encouraged all Victorians to 'Dob in a Hoon' and call Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000."
Yeah but he doesn't mind the exhaust from the sounds of things (excuse the pun :ninja:) he just wishes he wouldn't explode when leaving his house.

[Ashneel]

implode

[MagnaP.I]

I'm not siding with the cops on this because most of thier recent actions seem not to be of any use to the bigger picture and scheme of things. Most recent decisions seem to be terribly thought out and just a quick fix, as a knee jerk reaction.

But I am siding with this movement to a degree. i've lost count the amount of times I've been woken up by some tosspot who has chucked a $2 cannon muffler on thier crapodore and is revving the crap out as they fly past my house,sounding like a massive fart at 2 oclock inthe morning....there are alot of faggots who need to be corrected and thier moral rudders realigned to start thinking of others....

Although I think the deal with checking the ecu stuff is pure ridiculous. TIme and time again the domestic market is always the scapegoat and easily to target the environmental crap. Those responsible for most of the pollution and damage is the industrial producers but of course they produce money and income for the government and to change thier habits are far to complex for the governments small inept environmental ministers. How about they try and reduce the massive amount of pollution the factories give off?! No that can't be done because that costs too much money - target the domestic market instead - they're easy fools - lets get everything - raise thier electricity bills and then bang on about how thier cars cause all the pollution when a large percentage of the domestic market drives cars less than 10 years old anyway....I'm absolutely sick of this EPA crap - if they'd actually bother to really research into this climate change crap they'd realse that much of what we're going through now was the same in the 1930's and other periods in time....its nothing too unusual - like a cycle....

Although I am looking forward to having a better nights sleep with less faggots and thier massive $2 cannonbacks roaring through my street at night....take em all off the road I say! If you're a douche with the your exhuast then get off the road..... not that I don't like the soundof a nice exhaust, infact if its properly done and enough energy is invested in them then they can sound really sweet and lvoe to listen to them (i.e. like a sweet V8 muscle car -mmm yum!) ....but when your average bogan doesn't care about anyone,instead just wants all the attention and makes his friggen car sound massively loud with no consideration towards others, they deserve to go through the hassles of getting the car to sound proper and legal .....we should roar some loud exhaust in front of thier house when they're sleeping peacefully and see howthey like it.......good ridence I say!

But I beleive there is going to be alot of unfair testing and alot of people who don't really deserve to have thier cars defected are going to cop it.....once again the majority will suffer for the minority....

I think the time will come where it will just be too annoying and pretty much impossible to have a modified car rolling on the roads....instead people are probably going to invest thier money into building track cars on the side as it will ust too hard to survive on the main roads...I'm a type of person that loves to customise cars as I rarely like how they look from stock but the way things are heading I don't think I will have the luxury of doing that....soon we'll all be driving fbloody eco friendly prius' because "thats good for the environment right?" ...yeah lets ignore the fact that lithion batteries during production and when they're disposed of cause monsterous amounts of pollution...lithum is also very dangerous if not properly treated......

THanks for nothing braxsey....boy I can hardly wait for the next election.....

[zeke]

learntouseparagraphs!

[MagnaP.I]

learntouseparagraphs!

happy

now

zeke?

:P

[zeke]

woot we have a weiner!! :P

[".LIAM."]

if this is to crack down on emissions that ruin our environment i am all for it, as i do not want the ozone layer to suffer anymore than it already is and try to live a realitivly polluted free life.

if this is for revenue, i am not for it and the police can go **** themselves!!

it really depends on what it's actually for. as big loud mufflers are really un-necessery.

[JarRah]

lol noisey cars

reminds me of a dean quote "Sorry officer I can't hear you over my engine at redline!"

[yann89]

it really depends on what it's actually for. as big loud mufflers are really un-necessery.

means your exhaust is unnecessary, means my exhaust is unnecessary, means the exhaust of a Ferrari is unnecessary.

fact of the matter is, spin it any which way you bloody well want, noise NEVER killed anyone. EVER. state me a case where someone stodd behind a car and died as soon as it began to idle because of the exhaust note.

instead of tackling REAL issues, like police corruption or driver education, these numbskull, idiotic dickheads in parliament decide that having an exhaust over 90db is too much because their pet ferret, fluffy, squeels when a lamborghini drives past the house. go sit on your knitting needles you pricks.

/anger

[MagnaP.I]

if this is to crack down on emissions that ruin our environment i am all for it, as i do not want the ozone layer to suffer anymore than it already is and try to live a realitivly polluted free life.

if this is for revenue, i am not for it and the police can go **** themselves!!

it really depends on what it's actually for. as big loud mufflers are really un-necessery.

its probably for both liam...as for the environmental stuff you'll find much of the domestic stuf has got nothing to do with...they shouldn't really be targeting us at all - I read a figure somewhere that in essence the domestic market only makes up about 10% of all the pollution....90% of it comes from industry...thats where the government should be really targetting if they're serious about the pollution hype...anyway the % of cars that are on the roads and are modded is quite low so of those few thousand drivers who may a slight increase in the amount of pollution thier car is releasing - I don't think they're a real pressing issue for the environment - I highly doubt they contribute much, if at all, to the supposed environmental "problems" we're ment to be experiencing.....I think this is much more about revenue raising more than anything else....I do agree 100% with the loud mufflers part - they are completely unneccary infact in most cases they do not increase performance much at all, sometimes they even reduce it!

[yann89]

they are completely unneccary infact in most cases they do not increase performance much at all, sometimes they even reduce it!

mate can i ask you a question?

do you fart? I'll answer that myself. of course you bloody well do.

so you can get lost, because the sound of your fart in the night may wake up your neighbors. you're also polluting my planet by releasing methane into the atmosphere. Also, you are creating pollution in the odour that emanates from your asshole at the second of the act.

[lowrider]

their pet ferret, fluffy, squeels when a lamborghini drives past the house.
/anger

i :bowrofl:

[zeke]

mate can i ask you a question?

Do you fart? I'll answer that myself. Of course you bloody well do.

So you can get lost, because the sound of your fart in the night may wake up your neighbors. You're also polluting my planet by releasing methane into the atmosphere. Also, you are creating pollution in the odour that emanates from your asshole at the second of the act.

rofl!!!!

[MagnaP.I]

mate can i ask you a question?

do you fart? I'll answer that myself. of course you bloody well do.

so you can get lost, because the sound of your fart in the night may wake up your neighbors. you're also polluting my planet by releasing methane into the atmosphere. Also, you are creating pollution in the odour that emanates from your asshole at the second of the act.

OHH come on Ian - you gotta be kidding!! HAHAH this one of the funniest thing I've read in along time here on amc....umm how do I even answer this question?! I can tell you right now that no matter how loud my fart is, its far from goiing to wake up my neighbours lke the douches with thier cannonbacks - honestly you didn't think that was a good comeback and argument against what I'm saying?! Farts don't give off sound higher than 110dbs.....anyway 90db is friggen loud enough for exhausts - honestly whats peoples problem? A jet engine during takeoff produces about 120db of sound! Becuase of this we stick airports far from most of the civilisation and have alot of sound proofing and barriers etc....yet we allow cars roaring with that kind of sound intencity in our neighbourhoods? I don't think so! If I wanted to listen to the planes and cars taking off I'd would've moved near a dragstrip or airport......if its too loud then think of others and quieten that thing down.....can't see whats unreasonable in expecting that......

[NORBY]

120db is SIGNIFICANTLY louder than 90db

from memory every 3db is 2x louder, so a jet plane is 10x louder than a car, makes sense to me. the limit really needs to raised to 100db. And the emissions shit is useless. I mean, its a proven fact that industry produces the most harmful output, you wont see government doing anything proper to help curb this. Its easier to blame the 'hoons'

[MagnaP.I]

120db is SIGNIFICANTLY louder than 90db
'

Yes it is - I'm not saying that. Thats the requirement and alot of modded cars fail that, which means they're alot closer to intensity of the jetplace. I can guarantee you that some of the losers that roar past my house at 2am have cars towards the 105-110db mark....90db is an adequate level - beyond that and its getting just friggen annoying! Although the problem is leniecy. I can guarantee you that if someone will blow 90.1db then instantly they'll get a major defect notice....they should have an allowable range.....much of this is revenue raising imo...

[yann89]

no matter how loud my fart is, its far from goiing to wake up my neighbours lke the douches with thier cannonbacks

i wouldnt state that unless you have irrefutable proof. also, my neighbor has a V8 with a straight-through exhaust sometimes comes home at 2 or 3 AM. not a single person in my house stirs. I have asked him if any of the neighbors have complained, negative. how do we know youre not a light sleeper?

[NORBY]

Yes it is - I'm not saying that. Thats the requirement and alot of modded cars fail that, which means they're alot closer to intensity of the jetplace. I can guarantee you that some of the losers that roar past my house at 2am have cars towards the 105-110db mark....90db is an adequate level - beyond that and its getting just friggen annoying! Although the problem is leniecy. I can guarantee you that if someone will blow 90.1db then instantly they'll get a major defect notice....they should have an allowable range.....much of this is revenue raising imo...

i dont think you are aware how quiet the levels are, a stock XR6 turbo falcon is 3db under the limit.

[yann89]

i dont think you are aware how quiet the levels are, a stock xr6 turbo falcon is 3db under the limit.

too loud mate. Hurts my ears!

[rh1n0]

120db is SIGNIFICANTLY louder than 90db

the limit really needs to raised to 100db.
You win the internets.

Raising to 100db would make people be able to get a decent power increase with minimal spend in order to get their cars up hills faster, easing congestion and the amount of braking needed by others, etc.

Plus, some cars sound amazing with a nice exhaust. <3

[yann89]

look, im not saying that the loudest exhaust wins. what needs to be done is have a midground. legalise the use of a varex-type system where at night the valve can be closed and a quieter (legal) exhaust note is created. it makes no sense to blanket ban something which is sometimes BETTER than stock!

I'd even support having legalised TIME-DELAY varex exhausts (obviously not yet thought of i dont think) whereby at a certain preset time of night the exhaust valve shuts itself. Loud music can be played until 11pm, so loud exhausts shut off then and dont open until 8am. thekovac can sleep peacefully with such a setup.

[rowman100]

Put an anonymous letter in his mail box saying you couldn't care less about his car and its obnoxious exhaust but if he could keep the revs to a minimum whilst inside your road/street/court.

He should be doing that out of common sense really in any suburban area, but he should at LEAST do it in his own street.

oh mate one look at this guy and ud understand that he has no common sense lol. everything about this kid and his car just screams wanka.
im not educated enough about exhaust systems to be able to tell you what hes done to make it so shit. all i can say is that it sounds like a high pitched gurgle and its AWFUL. I dont get people sometimes :nuts:

[NORBY]

im not siding with the cops on this but i wish they'd b able to get the dickhead that lives across the road from me. I'm extremely tolerant when it comes to cars with loud exhausts but every time this guy takes off in his 200sx it sounds like his cars gonna explode. i dont know what hes done but it sounds awful!

its not that guy with the orange one is it?

[rowman100]

nah its a silver one with the number plats XQWSD or somethin gay like that. his brother had a silver skyline with massive chromies and that too had the exact same awful exhaust note.

[rh1n0]

oh mate one look at this guy and ud understand that he has no common sense lol. everything about this kid and his car just screams wanka.
im not educated enough about exhaust systems to be able to tell you what hes done to make it so shit. all i can say is that it sounds like a high pitched gurgle and its AWFUL. I dont get people sometimes :nuts:
I've heard some people compare the sound of SR20s (assuming he doesn't have a CA18 here) to trucks when something needs replacing in the car. Apparently trucks sounds are not a sought after sound. :)

[rowman100]

nah pretty sure its just an s15. i wouldnt even put it in the same league as a truck sound. its worse than that i reckon lol.

[rh1n0]

S15 should be an SR20. :)

[rowman100]

oh really? forgive my ignorance then. shows how much i know about nissans :nuts: even still i wouldnt compare this to a truck noise. and like i said his brothers skyline sounded similar which is why i dont think its anything wrong with the car.

[rh1n0]

Maybe it's just the drivers' wanky mods then. :P

I used to have a pod filter in my car and it was pretty front end noisy, not in a good way. Got that out of there now. Just missing the intake 'silencer'/resonator.

[Gerard]

is there a shadow road minister?

[Mecha-wombat]

is there a shadow road minister?

the oppostion will have a shadow minister for roads


But Victoria is living up to its new MONIKER

[Gerard]

not seeing one here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Cabinet_of_Australia

[Zen]

Im not going to say anything becuase I dont want another infraction.
But... Fail Governmet, Fail state, Fail country.