P platers VS the PoPO

[Mecha-wombat]

OK so you P-platers think you have a hard time from the police and are getting a raw deal

Lets look at some REAL HARDCORE FACTS or some people call them statisics

Statistically P-platers are most likely to:

Modify their cars to be NON-Roadworthy
Drive NON-Roadworthy cars
be involved in Single car FATALITIES
be involved in MULTIPLE FATALITES from a single car
Be at fault in multi vehicle accidents

and most of all DIE, thats right DIE , BE DEAD, fall off the perch, kick the bucket, D.E.A.D!

So when you recieve some attention from the jacks well they are just doing job protecting the community

when you go over 1 km or 100km over the posted speed limit you have enabled the ROE and you can be pulled over as you have now broken the law

The law is there to protect us from ourselves and the police are sworn to serve the community to protect us by upholding those laws which statiscally P-platers like to break (if you disagree see above)

Now if you think that you are unfairly targeted (see above)

Statisically you need to be protected from yourselves more than any group in the community(see above)

So therefore there is an effort to make sure you are not going to become a statisic

I mean the cops would rather slow you down than attend to your corpse in an accident

If you have ever seen a MVA that has resulted in a fatality I aint but I have seen the aftermath and little bits of person are not nice when they are not attached to a person

So dont be a douche on the roads and be safe and accept that you will have a target but dont blame the guys sworn to protect YOU from YOU

Blame your PEERS and everytime they break the law remember they are just adding to the statisics

So change their attitudes and yours towards the people doing what we as a community want them to do

[FFEEkY]

Well said. At the end of the day, the police are just doing their job, same as everybody else. And TBH, i would rather them defect someone for ridiculous mods rather than have you run into my car and have no insurance because of the mods :)

[mattgreen]

not all p platers are douche bags you cant realy discriminate. i no plenty of drivers at the age of 40 that have highly modded cars and tear around race cars etc saying that im off my p's soon

[Johnnyred]

Trying to start a class war ... or AMC Apartheid ?

I'm actually very impressed with the youth of today ... I'm seeing better educated and more mature individuals.
Yeah I sometimes curse at the odd P Plater but I also know that the stats for other age groups isn't exactly glowing considering their age and experience behind the wheel.

[FFEEkY]

i remember when i was young, i used to hate getting pulled up by the cops all the time (having a s/c v6 vs on 19's didnt help). i can understand now why they do it. if anything, its just a reminder to say, we are watching you, if you play up you will get caught.

[Mecha-wombat]

not all p platers are douche bags you cant realy discriminate. i no plenty of drivers at the age of 40 that have highly modded cars and tear around race cars etc saying that im off my p's soon


So where did I say all P-platers are douches???

[Mecha-wombat]

Trying to start a class war ... or AMC Apartheid ?

I'm actually very impressed with the youth of today ... I'm seeing better educated and more mature individuals.
Yeah I sometimes curse at the odd P Plater but I also know that the stats for other age groups isn't exactly glowing considering their age and experience behind the wheel.

All I am saying is P-platers need to look at the actions of SOME of their peers to lay blame as to why they get targeted

I dont like hearing kids whine about being targeted

we have heaps of P-platers come to our meets and are probably better drivers than some of the full licensed individuals who attend

but reality is all drivers in general are under MORE survelliance than ever

[Johnnyred]

In reply to

So where did I say all P-platers are douches???

"So dont be a douche on the roads and be safe and accept that you will have a target but dont blame the guys sworn to protect YOU from YOU"

after having said at the beginning

"OK so you P-platers think you have a hard time from the police and are getting a raw deal"

which implied you are talking to ALL P-Platers :ninja:

[Mecha-wombat]

So if your not a douche you wont have a problem simple

Look its the MINORITY that spoil it for EVERYONE and they act like douche's

[FFEEkY]

In reply to

So where did I say all P-platers are douches???

"So dont be a douche on the roads and be safe and accept that you will have a target but dont blame the guys sworn to protect YOU from YOU"

after having said at the beginning

"OK so you P-platers think you have a hard time from the police and are getting a raw deal"

which implied you are talking to ALL P-Platers :ninja:
are you a p plater?

[Johnnyred]

are you a p plater?

No ... haven't been one for 30 odd years. I'm seeing better behaviour on the roads from P Platers now then I did in my day and subsequent years since. To me the problem isn't getting worse it's more about media P Plate bashing.

[Mecha-wombat]

No ... haven't been one for 30 odd years.

Lucky bugger:happy:

[Johnnyred]

So if your not a douche you wont have a problem simple

Look its the MINORITY that spoil it for EVERYONE and they act like douche's

I certainly agree but crimes any crime including serious traffic offences, offenders are usually from low socio-economic areas have a poor education and poor role models.

[FFEEkY]

No ... haven't been one for 30 odd years. I'm seeing better behaviour on the roads from P Platers now then I did in my day and subsequent years since. To me the problem isn't getting worse it's more about media P Plate bashing.
really? i mostly see p platers swerving while texting, talking on the phone sitting in the right land of the highway doing 140 or 80, rolling out infront of me on round a bouts and stop signs, then slamming on their brakes and waving to say 'sorry'

Young people have gotten stupider over the last few years, im only 25 and can tell you the generation of 17/18 year olds today are far stupider than when i was 8 years ago. Perhaps its because of the area i live in. on the sunshine coast there is the old, the rich, and the poor. there are very few middle class people such as myself. The rich are rolling in it, the poor dont care (generally on the dole, paying $50-60/wk for a government house 2 streets from the beach! why work?!), and the old are well, old.

[Johnnyred]

Lucky bugger:happy:

hmmm ... we will have to see who the oldest AMC member is. I suppose Ol' Fart should be ....

[mattgreen]

im on my greens loud car big wheels and i never get pulled over. saying that when i had my commodore it was constant. they would always check the back tires to :D to add to that i seriously laughed at a cop once. i got pulled over in my magna it had low tread rear tires. he then tryed to tell me he heard i was doing burnouts and that my rear tires were low from it. all i had to say was. mate its a front wheel drive. he walked away in shame

[Mecha-wombat]

No ... haven't been one for 30 odd years. I'm seeing better behaviour on the roads from P Platers now then I did in my day and subsequent years since. To me the problem isn't getting worse it's more about media P Plate bashing.

This thread was a reaction to a post in our fortnightly meet thread were the actions of HWP were asked about

I said drive to the laws of the road NO PROBLEMS


The media bash lots of things I dont take much notice

I have experienced things that if any driver saw would haunt them like it does me Bits of the human body strewn throughout a cabin

argue all you want about semantics and derail this thread

It was meant to highlight that you stay clean you wont have a problem

[the_ash]

first and last copper to pull me over (after 10 years of driving) with a bill got a handshake and a thank you for having enough guts to step up and do what he does... he was a bit shocked yet grateful at the same time... but i look at it this way... i was speeding and as mecha said he was saving me and the world (or perth at least) from me

[Mecha-wombat]

I certainly agree but crimes any crime including serious traffic offences, offenders are usually from low socio-economic areas have a poor education and poor role models.

So true

and the role models for youth of today are????

[Johnnyred]

This thread was a reaction to a post in our fortnightly meet thread were the actions of HWP were asked about

I said drive to the laws of the road NO PROBLEMS


The media bash lots of things I dont take much notice

I have experienced things that if any driver saw would haunt them like it does me Bits of the human body strewn throughout a cabin

argue all you want about semantics and derail this thread

It was meant to highlight that you stay clean you wont have a problem

OK ... I'm happy to leave it at that.I'm not here to start a flame war.

[Mecha-wombat]

first and last copper to pull me over (after 10 years of driving) with a bill got a handshake and a thank you for having enough guts to step up and do what he does... he was a bit shocked yet grateful at the same time... but i look at it this way... i was speeding and as mecha said he was saving me and the world (or perth at least) from me


I did this the last time I got pulled over round 6 years ago too

the officer told me to just be more dilligent as next time we met I might not get to shake his hand


ie BE DEAD!

[fatboy]

I can see what mecha is saying, I'm a green P plater and also been in the emergency services for at least 4 operational years and seen the direct result of other p platers being idiots. Either in a minor accidents or with a double fatal involving kids my own age.
Now I'm not saying that I haven't done stupid things before, but I'm noticing alot of 17/18s who just got their Red P plates, just don't care about laws & safety at all and 3 to 12 month license suspensions don't change their attitudes. IMO to combat the problem is mandatory advanced driving workshops in which you get shown how easy it is to loose control of a car and get the Police CIU come in and show photos of what happens when you think you can drift a commodore around a corner at 120km/h.

But, on saying that, some police officers (not saying all police) pick on p platers for the hell of it. Where i live, we have a problem with a constable in the highway patrol who stalks, harasses and even breaks police protoctal to get to p platers. I've had run-ins with this officer and reported him to his supervising officers, only never to hear back about it.

So I can see from both side of the tracks here.

[Life]

**** you wazza... P-platers are LESS LIKELY to get in an accident then old people. Overconfident bastards.

I'm sick of HP cars stalking me when I'm doing nothing wrong, pricks.

[mattgreen]

agreed. like the time they were trying to tell me my car was turbo'd IT WAS A MAGNA i just looked at the officer like he was retarded do they get any proper training? or the time they tried to get me for driveing a car over 200KW ( BA Xr6) i had to argue with him for an hr. eventualy he called base and they told him they are p plate legal. shit he was pissed off

[Mecha-wombat]

**** you wazza... P-platers are LESS LIKELY to get in an accident then old people. Overconfident bastards.

I'm sick of HP cars stalking me when I'm doing nothing wrong, pricks.


Statisically NO Dean




While young drivers only make up around 13% of the driving population they account for 25%of all drivers killed on our roads




and you are like 20% of all drivers aged between 18-25 who feel older drivers are a hazard

[Mecha-wombat]

But, on saying that, some police officers (not saying all police) pick on p platers for the hell of it. Where i live, we have a problem with a constable in the highway patrol who stalks, harasses and even breaks police protoctal to get to p platers. I've had run-ins with this officer and reported him to his supervising officers, only never to hear back about it.



That is TRUCKED truly TRUCKED

again the MINORITY messing it up for the MAJORITY

[Dingers]

My best mates had his license suspended twice for stupid driving, I'm talking about 160+ on the M4, now he drives properly. I swear if he hadn't lost his license twice he'd be dead by now and taken a few with him.

On the other hand I've had friends who've lost their license for literally 2 k's over and others that have been illegally defected (revving car to redline to get muffler sound reading, when it's only sposed to go up to around 3 thousand rpm.)

It's unfair yes, and as a P plater I do feel targeted.

But I suppose, after talking to Mecha through PMs and thinking about it, it's worth it if the cops suspend and book 100 P platers unfairly or for blatantly discriminating reasons, if one P plater that is actually a reckless driver out of that 100 turns around, and even if it's from sheer fear of getting suspended again, stops driving recklessly.

Just like my best mate did.

In saying that, I don't believe some cops on the road actually have the best interest of P platers in mind, rather want a promotion for bagging them, but it's a means to a necessary end.

Ah whatever, I've never lost my license.

I'm only accountable for my actions and I'm a very reasonable driver.
Doesn't mean I still won't be sore if I lose my license for something unreasonable, but Mecha's given us the stats.

It's the 1% that ruin it for the 99%, that's the reason all preventative laws are passed.

When it comes to cars we're talking about lives.

[Mecha-wombat]

I am actually looking out for you P-platers

the reason it is tougher is because of these stats, they dont lie.

I have lots of mates here on P-plates and TBH I dont want to see them become another stat


and Rogue cops well they are tall poppies and we know what happens to them !!

[mozzaldinho]

**** you wazza... P-platers are LESS LIKELY to get in an accident then old people. Overconfident bastards.

I'm sick of HP cars stalking me when I'm doing nothing wrong, pricks.

You need less car avatar, more deanatar dean!!

someone please present the messiah with a deanatar!

[ih8hsv]

its funny what happened to me, dean (life) & ben (tjtime) on saturday night crusing around campbelltown not doing anything wrong being targeted by hwp. I was behind the 2 (on green p-plates) they turned off and i kept going in the other direction (im on my full license). have a guess who they followed?????

[Mecha-wombat]

its funny what happened to me, dean (life) & ben (tjtime) on saturday night crusing around campbelltown not doing anything wrong being targeted by hwp. I was behind the 2 (on green p-plates) they turned off and i kept going in the other direction (im on my full license). have a guess who they followed?????


Yes and also the HWP bugged out after he realised Dean & Ben were driving Magnas and not Commondores LOL

Dean gave me a run down LOL

[JarRah]

In my opinion being on P's and dealing with all the attention that comes with it is just a rite of passage. Really if you think about alot of things in life you have to deal with a small amount of shit before getting to the other side.

Your on P's, your new to driving and its more than likely you want to test out this new ability, police will have more focus due to you because of this. I dont mean you'll instantly go out and have a hoon or you'll just casually drive from A to B, I just know that when I was on my P's every now and then I thought "I wonder if I..."

When thinking back over my time on P's I really just come to one conclusion... Harden the **** up and move on. Eventually you'll be on blacks all this will go away.

On a side note what brought this on Mecha? This P's discussion has been done many times on here so I find it odd you decided yesterday "You know what... P-platers... ****'em!" lol still amusing all the same

[Mecha-wombat]

In my opinion being on P's and dealing with all the attention that comes with it is just a rite of passage. Really if you think about alot of things in life you have to deal with a small amount of shit before getting to the other side.

Your on P's, your new to driving and its more than likely you want to test out this new ability, police will have more focus due to you because of this. I dont mean you'll instantly go out and have a hoon or you'll just casually drive from A to B, I just know that when I was on my P's every now and then I thought "I wonder if I..."

When thinking back over my time on P's I really just come to one conclusion... Harden the **** up and move on. Eventually you'll be on blacks all this will go away.

On a side note what brought this on Mecha? This P's discussion has been done many times on here so I find it odd you decided yesterday "You know what... P-platers... ****'em!" lol still amusing all the same


Great post JarRah you summed up what I was trying to get across too

If I was a P-plater hater I would just call up a few mates who are actually HWP and give them intel

Sometimes a timely reminder is needed

[JarRah]

Great post JarRah

If I was a P-plater hater I would just call up a few mates who are actually HWP and give them intel

Sometimes a timely reminder is needed

lol Intel like what?

"Hey mate.... yea good.... okay white TE/TF Magna, number plates Lima-India-Foxtrot Three-Zero-Lima... yep... driver has Farrah Fawcett like hair... no worries thanks mate"

[Dave]

No ... haven't been one for 30 odd years. I'm seeing better behaviour on the roads from P Platers now then I did in my day and subsequent years since. To me the problem isn't getting worse it's more about media P Plate bashing.

:stoopid:

someone has been watching too much Today Tonight or ACA

[Mecha-wombat]

lol Intel like what?

"Hey mate.... yea good.... okay white TE/TF Magna, number plates Lima-India-Foxtrot Three-Zero-Lima... yep... driver has Farrah Fawcett like hair... no worries thanks mate"

you are on fire this morning

[Dave]

lol Intel like what?

"Hey mate.... yea good.... okay white TE/TF Magna, number plates Lima-India-Foxtrot Three-Zero-Lima... yep... driver has Farrah Fawcett like hair... no worries thanks mate"

we can only dream :roflwtf::roflwtf:

[NORBY]

to be honest i had 0 issues while i was on my P's, its all about how you drive and your attitude if you do have a chat with a copper. But the main thing is what kinda car you drive, modified comos / falcons / skyrine / silvias etc etc are going to get you pulled over, you already knew that before you bought it so dont whinge.

[wollongongVerada]

I personally can't see the message getting through. I assume most people have forgotten the 5 or so really bad accidents at the beginning of the year. All involved P plate drivers, all involved speed, all involved an impact so hard the car was split in 2, and unfortunately all involved multiple fatalities.
I agree that most P plate drivers do nothing wrong but after those accidents it's not P plate bashing, it's actually fact.
It's sad to see some peoples imaginations outway their ability.
If you do nothing wrong, you won't have an issue. The police may pull you over for a random reason, that's only fair, if you have no illigal modifications, no problems, but if you do, and get fined for it, you call the police pricks!!
Where is the logic in that!! Do stupid things, but don't complain when you get caught.

[MadMax]

Not all p platers are douches. Some are, some aren't, like the rest of the driving population. Trading insults won't help. So there!

Having said that, there have been 2 recent single car accidents where pedestrians on the sidewalk were knocked down and injured, and the second a car (the driver) lost control and went into a house, bowling over a group of kids playing in the house. The driver ended up cradling a baby that his car just went over seconds before. No one injured fortunately. The first was a L plater, the second a P plater. Both were low speed accidents and alcohol was not involved.

I imagine the accidents were caused by:

Poor hand-brain-eye coordination, (did these kids do PE in school?) leading to poor vehicle control.
Poor reaction time.
Not knowing the limitations of the car and road, or themselves.
Not knowing the laws of physics.
Not knowing what to do in an emergency.
Thinking driving is like a video game, no one gets hurt and you instantly get a new car if you destroy the one you are driving.

Driving licences were easy to get once, you just filled in a form at the local post office, bingo, you are licenced! You learnt to drive AFTER you got the licence. With heavier traffic on the roads and more complex task required today, we really need many hours on driving simulators and test tracks to get up to speed with car handling and protective/evasive driving before these learners are allowed onto the road, just for everyone's safety.


To play devil's advocate:
Having said all that, this is a free country, and you are quite welcome to blame others and feel the police are victimising you, and drive high performance cars with questionable modifications at their limit on city streets. If you crash and kill yourself you are just removing yourself from the human gene pool and on average the next generation of drivers will be better or more sensible. Just don't take too many innocent passengers/bystanders with you!

[Zen]

I was in the CFA for 7 years and on a Rescue truck for some of it, and I have seen quite a few BAD accidents, Majority of them were aged 25 - 45 not P platers or old people.
Bottom line is, Everyone is partial to Some form of stupid behavior, If you are going to drive like a nut, do it somewhere safe like a track, or somewhere that only you can be harmed. It wouldnt be the first time I have been to and accident where a 40(ish) YO male took out a young family of 4 all DOA's.

Dont drive stupid in towns or on busy roads... if you do, you deserve all forms of punishment.

[JarRah]

this thread could go on for ages with people reciting the same points.

Im gunna have to put a vote to lock this one and say we all get back to talking about modding cars... on that matter people please post up moar pics I do dislike reading threads.

[Owens_Mighty_Magna]

this thread could go on for ages with people reciting the same points.

Im gunna have to put a vote to lock this one and say we all get back to talking about modding cars... on that matter people please post up moar pics I do dislike reading threads.

agreed with all the points above

[Dingers]

If you do nothing wrong, you won't have an issue. The police may pull you over for a random reason, that's only fair, if you have no illigal modifications, no problems, but if you do, and get fined for it, you call the police pricks!!
Where is the logic in that!! Do stupid things, but don't complain when you get caught.

Not stoking the fire, but read my post on my mate being defected for a legal muffler.


this thread could go on for ages with people reciting the same points.

Im gunna have to put a vote to lock this one and say we all get back to talking about modding cars... on that matter people please post up moar pics I do dislike reading threads.

Agreed, I vote more dean.

[Tobed0g]

:stoopid:

someone has been watching too much Today Tonight or ACA

This. ACA is a crock of shit.

They'd save more lives if they cracked down on the average soccer mum's Land Cruiser with bald tyres than making P platers look like criminals in the media. Only 11 months to go.

[GT-Pete]

to be honest i had 0 issues while i was on my P's, its all about how you drive and your attitude if you do have a chat with a copper. But the main thing is what kinda car you drive, modified comos / falcons / skyrine / silvias etc etc are going to get you pulled over, you already knew that before you bought it so dont whinge.

:stoopid:

My Falcon = Hassled all the time
My Verada = Not bothered once...

[Sky-na]

Not all p platers are douches. Some are, some aren't, like the rest of the driving population. Trading insults won't help. So there!

Having said that, there have been 2 recent single car accidents where pedestrians on the sidewalk were knocked down and injured, and the second a car (the driver) lost control and went into a house, bowling over a group of kids playing in the house. The driver ended up cradling a baby that his car just went over seconds before. No one injured fortunately. The first was a L plater, the second a P plater. Both were low speed accidents and alcohol was not involved.

I imagine the accidents were caused by:

Poor hand-brain-eye coordination, (did these kids do PE in school?) leading to poor vehicle control.
Poor reaction time.
Not knowing the limitations of the car and road, or themselves.
Not knowing the laws of physics.
Not knowing what to do in an emergency.
Thinking driving is like a video game, no one gets hurt and you instantly get a new car if you destroy the one you are driving.

Driving licences were easy to get once, you just filled in a form at the local post office, bingo, you are licenced! You learnt to drive AFTER you got the licence. With heavier traffic on the roads and more complex task required today, we really need many hours on driving simulators and test tracks to get up to speed with car handling and protective/evasive driving before these learners are allowed onto the road, just for everyone's safety.
To play devil's advocate:
Having said all that, this is a free country, and you are quite welcome to blame others and feel the police are victimising you, and drive high performance cars with questionable modifications at their limit on city streets. If you crash and kill yourself you are just removing yourself from the human gene pool and on average the next generation of drivers will be better or more sensible. Just don't take too many innocent passengers/bystanders with you!

:stoopid: If they taught kids how to actually drive a car, rather than to pass a test then something may actually work in minimising the P Plate death toll. They can restrict them all they want, but even a 3 cylinder charade can get up to speed (if you have enough distance :)) and kill someone. Make the defensive driving and traffic offenders course compulsory. Offer incentives/rebates for people to do these. I've done both and the defensive driving course transformed my understanding of driving a car and the traffic offenders course opens up your eyes that cars can actually be weapons.

I lost my P Plater mate almost a year ago. Theres speculation about the actual incident but there was no evidence to ellude that speed was a factor. Even though theres evidence another car was involved all we know is he lost traction in the wet going around a corner and hit a pole. If the state actually put some money into teaching people how to handle situations like the one he was involved in he might still be here. Ah well, guess revenue can't be raised through spending money on driver education.

EDIT: and for the record, the day after the accident before we knew the details of the Crash Investigation Report the media threw his story on the front of the local paper stating speed was the factor. Even managed to get another P Plate and put it on the wreck while it was there. After getting abused by his family, a smaller article was featured the day after saying it was unknown what caused the accident. CIR blamed it on conditions and driver error, however there was white paint on his rear quarter panel.

If anyone really is to blame for the overall attitude its the media. While some P Platers are dickheads, geez you cant be a brilliant driver when youre still LEARNING.

[MadMax]

Unfortunately you can't "teach" learners how to drive like someone with 20 years of experience. Only 20 years of experience will do that. During that time you have a few accidents, but you learn from them and they get fewer and less severe. Unfortunately the inexperienced (ie younger) drivers tend to go for high performance cars, and when things go wrong, they do so in a big way. Spend the first 10 years of your driving, while you gain experience, in something innocent like a Hyundai Excel, the police will leave you alone and the accidents you have will be minor.

[mattgreen]

my mums been driveing for 30 years , yet she allways backs into things fails to give way. experience isnt everything, not saying p platers are more experienced then the older drivers but ive seen a 14 year old that can out drive anyone i no he go's in the destruction derbys. thats preaty low of the media putting a p plate on the wrecked car. assholes whatever sells a good story

[JarRah]

I read back over these posts and just think.... is there an echo in here?

oh and matt... its spelt driving

[Maat1985]

everyone is saying the same thing over and over again and basically you have these main points....

1. cops are more likely to pull over p platers cus cops are ****ed
2. we do not teach people how to drive in this country
3. people who drive like a douche will drive like a douche whether or not on p's
4. people will put illegal mods on their cars cus they dont give a shit regardless of whetert or not p's or full license.... i bet out of everyone here there is just as many people with illegal mods in both catagories......

basically i feel that a p-plater following the law should not be pulled over
and anyone not following should.....

i just got my full license and i will drive how i did b4.... i will do up my car same as i would have b4 nothing has changed...... i thing the p-plater stereo type is more to the fact that young people these days want something different out of a car than young people did 40 years ago...... but this extends past that of p-platers.....

[MadMax]

Police can pull anyone over for a random licence check, breath test or vehicle safety check. If you are cooperative and polite, no probs. If you get paranoid and do a sulky "not fair" at them, they WILL make your life difficult! It's one of the big bonuses of being a traffic cop! They will then go back to the cop shop and tell all their mates, and have a good laugh!

[presti]

I just hate being associated with those bad p plate drivers, im not a 'hoon' and i dont do stupid shit in my car. But when i get off my p's i suppose i will be assosiated with those bad full licence drivers who hoon around and speed and such because i modify my car. I dont hate traffic police, everyone has there own reason for hating the police and if you dont well then congratulations. I just hate being labled a hoon because i am a p plate driver and i HAVE to have the p plate, its not like i chose it. People who are not on there p's still have accidents, modify there cars, have run ins with police, bitch and moan when they get stopped for a defect its not just a p plate thing but because a majority of the traffic are p plate drivers and they speak up it gets heard more often..

im not defending p plate drivers and i support the statistics, i have lost 2 friends to careless driving and they were on their p's, the statistics are scary and true but there are scary stats about non-p plate drivers.

[GT-Pete]

This thread seems to be going around in circles and I think everyone's said what needs to be said...

For anyone having a whinge in this thread... please have another read of the below facts... a few times if you don't get it.

/Thread



OK so you P-platers think you have a hard time from the police and are getting a raw deal

Lets look at some REAL HARDCORE FACTS or some people call them statisics

Statistically P-platers are most likely to:

Modify their cars to be NON-Roadworthy
Drive NON-Roadworthy cars
be involved in Single car FATALITIES
be involved in MULTIPLE FATALITES from a single car
Be at fault in multi vehicle accidents

and most of all DIE, thats right DIE , BE DEAD, fall off the perch, kick the bucket, D.E.A.D!

So when you recieve some attention from the jacks well they are just doing job protecting the community

when you go over 1 km or 100km over the posted speed limit you have enabled the ROE and you can be pulled over as you have now broken the law

The law is there to protect us from ourselves and the police are sworn to serve the community to protect us by upholding those laws which statiscally P-platers like to break (if you disagree see above)

Now if you think that you are unfairly targeted (see above)

Statisically you need to be protected from yourselves more than any group in the community(see above)

So therefore there is an effort to make sure you are not going to become a statisic

I mean the cops would rather slow you down than attend to your corpse in an accident

If you have ever seen a MVA that has resulted in a fatality I aint but I have seen the aftermath and little bits of person are not nice when they are not attached to a person

So dont be a douche on the roads and be safe and accept that you will have a target but dont blame the guys sworn to protect YOU from YOU

Blame your PEERS and everytime they break the law remember they are just adding to the statisics

So change their attitudes and yours towards the people doing what we as a community want them to do